Morganthe would have dismissed us from her concerns, because 1. we're not powerful enough to be a threat, 2. flip side; we're not powerful enough to be an asset.
Ambrose is more concerned with arcane threats to the Spiral.
The piratical presence in Valencia is only now being experienced by Valencia. Diego must have left home before the Napoleguinic War and the rise of Kane.
The best bet for a crossover seems to be Meowiarty, both Wizard101 and Pirate101 have this very interesting villain ( and he's a wizard )
We meet Cagliostro in Valencia and he certainly looks the part of a "renegade wizard". We may meet him again.
I do wonder though, how much Bartleby knows of what is going on in the Spiral. Maybe many Spiral Doors have been lost or yet to be discovered.

Don't forget the Librarian! We meet him in Cool Ranch.

noahdd on Jul 3, 2016 wrote:

Don't forget the Librarian! We meet him in Cool Ranch.

Harold Argelston is the librarian in Wizard City, we meet his brother, Desmond, in Cool Ranch.

the Fearless Devil on Jul 3, 2016 wrote:

I remember a not so long time ago when I had another account and some people mentioned a treaty with Wizard City and Skull Island.

However, Manny's quest line in blood shoals implies that the Pirate story takes place after Azteca got nuked by Morganthe, and probably after she died. Also, the nautical gauntlet has smuggled Wizard City items you can get.

So, if there's another wizard101-pirate101 crossover (The five Boxes event in Wizard101 had you fighting armada troops and cutthroats - who, for no reason, used MAGIC), it'll probably be our Wizards fighting the Smuggling pirates and our heroes mocking the wizards, saying things like "where were ye when Kane tried to destroy the spiral?!" *chuckles*

Wizards probably know a bit about skull island, because with a tree teleporting station it's not that hard to go from place to place - the question is, more accurately, "How much do Wizard's care?"

Off topic, but how is Wizard not a name for Wizards in Wizard? Haven't ye been to nameberry?
Sincerly,

a man who has promised never again to say "Wizard for Wizards in Wizard"

"Manny's quest line in blood shoals implies that the Pirate story takes place after Azteca got nuked by Morganthe"

It actually doesn't. Blind Mew confirmed it.

As for the topic of the whole thread, I'd say that regular Wizards don't know a lot about Pirates aside from rumors or speculation, or perhaps infrequent crossings of paths, but some of the higher-ups like Ambrose or whoever runs the Arcanum know more. I'd guess that there are forgotten or lost Spiral Doors into the Pirate-frequented areas of the Spiral like Skull Island. It'd make sense that Celestia and Skull Island are close to each other or exist on the same planetoid considering they appear much the same.

the Fearless Devil on Jul 7, 2016 wrote:

So, Mew says that there were rumors of Morganthe from Azteca? OK...good thing I said "Implied".

Your theory is...interesting. I wonder if any wizards were robbed or held for random by pirates. Also, if one is going on, why doesn't Ambrose send our Wizard to stop the smuggling ring at Nautical Gauntlet?

And why doesn't any wizard know about El Dorado? You think El Dorado would be a place Ambrose and pals would want nobody to go to, ever. A wizard could've found a piece of the map.

Then again, maybe our Wizards can't handle the amazing graphics of Pirate101. It'll leave them blinded by how good it is.

I don't think Ambrose and his wizards are concerned by ordinary crimes - their focus is arcane threats to the universe.
Why send a super hero to stop a car thief? Just send in the police.
Is El Dorado a secret? Seems as if every pirate knows about it - are wizards interested in stealing ancient treasure? They don't seem the type. Now, if the treasure included lost magic spells and wands of fantastic power....

anecorbie on Jul 2, 2016 wrote:

Morganthe would have dismissed us from her concerns, because 1. we're not powerful enough to be a threat, 2. flip side; we're not powerful enough to be an asset.
Ambrose is more concerned with arcane threats to the Spiral.
The piratical presence in Valencia is only now being experienced by Valencia. Diego must have left home before the Napoleguinic War and the rise of Kane.
The best bet for a crossover seems to be Meowiarty, both Wizard101 and Pirate101 have this very interesting villain ( and he's a wizard )
We meet Cagliostro in Valencia and he certainly looks the part of a "renegade wizard". We may meet him again.
I do wonder though, how much Bartleby knows of what is going on in the Spiral. Maybe many Spiral Doors have been lost or yet to be discovered.

About the Morganthe bit, sure, maybe she doesn't think that we can interfere with great success, but what about Kane and the rest of the Armada? the closest we have seen to clockworks is the clockwork golems, and those are definitely not Armada soldiers. Maybe Kane thinks that the wizards can't do much about his plans either? And, before you start complaining that the wizards are too powerful to be dismissed as a very minor threat, it's possible that, since Kane's forces are, of course, a sort of robot, they are resistant to normal magic, which is why Hoodoo can hurt them, since it is definitely NOT normal magic. That would also explain why the Armada decided that Hoodoo is a punishable offense (since it is one of the ways you can choose for how you got thrown in prison by the Armada, which means it is, in fact, a crime). They fear that Witchdocters will fight against them and get in his way (which they do, if you are a Witchdocter).

"How much do Wizards know?"

I am guessing not much, as the little blighters pretty much never sit down and study their lessons. They are always running about wildly throwing spells hither and yon, claiming they are "saving the Spiral". They are students - they should be studying. They should leave the adventuring to those who are better qualified (you know, like pirates or something). But no, actually reading a book or doing homework is beneath every one of them,apparently.-Indigo

TheSpiderBozz on Jul 8, 2016 wrote:

About the Morganthe bit, sure, maybe she doesn't think that we can interfere with great success, but what about Kane and the rest of the Armada? the closest we have seen to clockworks is the clockwork golems, and those are definitely not Armada soldiers. Maybe Kane thinks that the wizards can't do much about his plans either? And, before you start complaining that the wizards are too powerful to be dismissed as a very minor threat, it's possible that, since Kane's forces are, of course, a sort of robot, they are resistant to normal magic, which is why Hoodoo can hurt them, since it is definitely NOT normal magic. That would also explain why the Armada decided that Hoodoo is a punishable offense (since it is one of the ways you can choose for how you got thrown in prison by the Armada, which means it is, in fact, a crime). They fear that Witchdocters will fight against them and get in his way (which they do, if you are a Witchdocter).

Well, I think that is because they fear magic, as they don't seem to have the ability to control it - notice the very violent reactions of Rooke and Kane to any magic lobbed at them. And before you say "What about Bishop or Phule?", please notice that Bishop's magic is technology based and Phule uses a staff just many Privateers in this game use a staff or staffy combo for the will boost.

anecorbie on Jul 8, 2016 wrote:

Well, I think that is because they fear magic, as they don't seem to have the ability to control it - notice the very violent reactions of Rooke and Kane to any magic lobbed at them. And before you say "What about Bishop or Phule?", please notice that Bishop's magic is technology based and Phule uses a staff just many Privateers in this game use a staff or staffy combo for the will boost.

First of all, thanks for sharing your opinion. And, while they may fear magic, and the wizards are probably too busy worrying about what Morganthe will do next or how many more times Malistaire is gonna show up again, it definitely is strange that the wizards aren't doing anything about this, and they are aware that there is an Armada, due to the B.O.X.E.S. event. I mean, the Armada is practically building a death star, and the wizards aren't doing anything about it. Connecting to the response from Noahdd, it may be that W101 magic can't hurt what isn't alive, which is far from what the Armada is. Just a guess, but I think that the line "Heartless, soulless, and ruthless" might just maybe mean they aren't alive. It may be that the wizards are not interfering because they are smart enough to know that they can't do anything (except maybe whack them with their magic weapons, but that won't do much, now, will it?). They know they will get defeated, so they might as well interfere with what can be interfered with. Thank you for your time. I did not make this to offend you, Anecorbie, just sharing my thoughts.

TheSpiderBozz on Jul 9, 2016 wrote:

First of all, thanks for sharing your opinion. And, while they may fear magic, and the wizards are probably too busy worrying about what Morganthe will do next or how many more times Malistaire is gonna show up again, it definitely is strange that the wizards aren't doing anything about this, and they are aware that there is an Armada, due to the B.O.X.E.S. event. I mean, the Armada is practically building a death star, and the wizards aren't doing anything about it. Connecting to the response from Noahdd, it may be that W101 magic can't hurt what isn't alive, which is far from what the Armada is. Just a guess, but I think that the line "Heartless, soulless, and ruthless" might just maybe mean they aren't alive. It may be that the wizards are not interfering because they are smart enough to know that they can't do anything (except maybe whack them with their magic weapons, but that won't do much, now, will it?). They know they will get defeated, so they might as well interfere with what can be interfered with. Thank you for your time. I did not make this to offend you, Anecorbie, just sharing my thoughts.

No problems, you have your reasons as I do; and there's no way to tell what the truth is - unless you might like to ask Blind Mew?

Indigo Ring on Jul 8, 2016 wrote:

"How much do Wizards know?"

I am guessing not much, as the little blighters pretty much never sit down and study their lessons. They are always running about wildly throwing spells hither and yon, claiming they are "saving the Spiral". They are students - they should be studying. They should leave the adventuring to those who are better qualified (you know, like pirates or something). But no, actually reading a book or doing homework is beneath every one of them,apparently.-Indigo

So true. The closest we ever have to lessons are the spell quests, which is just more fighting. We never sit down and actually learn what we are supposed too. I guess we don't have to, since the spells come in tiny cards that require no skill to actually use.

TheSpiderBozz on Jul 10, 2016 wrote:

Ooh. I never thought of that! Although, knowing him, he is probably not gonna say anything...

Oh really?

This is an interesting topic, and one we discussed quite a bit as Pirate was first ramping up: the two worlds, sadly, cannot directly touch (that's a sheer impossibility form a technical standpoint) and we didn't want the story of one to become dependent on the story of another - it would constrain either or both games when coming up with where to go or what to do next. So we've been content to let the stories run in parallel, assuming that the Wizards don't pay much attention to what's going on in the conventional world of maritime geopolitics (spiropolotics?) and, conversely, that the doings of wizards and all their card-based magic was obscured from what pirates were doing.

But we did go out of our way to make sure that our story stuff in Pirate didn't contradict Wizard's timeline. I guess I'm going to have to go back and re-write that Aztecosaur dialogue: they have visions of the doom that Morganth would unleash on Azteca in the future, so they left.

Marleybone and Mooshu is where our stories get closest. I'd love for the Marleybonean/Armada war to have echoes in Marleybone Wizard content, but that's simply time gone by - when Wizard's Marelybone content was written the Armada (and Pirate101 itself) hadn't been conceived of yet. So we put Marleybone City "over there," at the edge of view. Threatened by the war but not yet embroiled in it.

And who says Merle doesn't know about El Dorado? There was a special Ninja Pig giveaway promotion in the pre-launch days that also linked to the text of a letter. The letter was from Marco Pollo to none other than Merle Ambrose, concerning a certain golden city...